Perhaps I didn't explain myself well
הבנתי את עמדתך. כמה נקודות:
העובדה שהערבים חיים בחמולות מקשה אפילו יותר על אנשים להתנגד. גם אם יש מי שבינו לבין עצמו מתנגד להשחתת התחנות, הסיכוי שהוא יצא נגד החמולה שלו אפילו קטן יותר ולכן הדרישה הזו לדעתי לא סבירה.
 
ההקבלה שלך למחאה נגד קו רכבת היא לא טובה כי כאן המחאה היא לא נגד הרכבת עצמה אלא נגד הרכבת כסמל שלטון בדיוק כמו שמנפצים שמשות של חנויות ויום למחרת חוזרים לקנות בהן.
 
מעבר לזה, גם במחאה נגד קו רכבת, זה מאד תלוי ברמת ההשתתפות. תסכים איתי שאם שלושה חבר'ה ישרפו תחנה ויכתבו גרפיטי "מתנגדים לרכבת" זה לא ישנה לאף אחד.
 
ולגבי נטל ההוכחה, אני לא מבין לאיזו מציאות ולוגיקה פשוטה אתה מתכוון. למה זה לא מציאותי לשער שרוב הציבור שם מתנגד לזה או לפחות לא מוכן להתנהג ככה בעצמו?
Perhaps I didn't explain myself well
You are of course right that hamullas prevent moderates from expressing their views.
This means two things:
First , that hamulla leadership is indeed holding extreme views.
Second, even though hamulla rule is not democracy why do you think hamulla leaders are holding such rules?
Most likely because such views are popular among the simple folk and even in Arab society you want to be popular unless you want to lose your power.
In any case this argument is irrelevant, because we need to look at various polls held among Arabs in eastern Jerusalem.
I can't recall even recent ones , but from what I remember Arabs in eastern Jerusalem have never shown alot of simpathy towards Israel.
Therefore its reasonable to assume that they don't necessarily condemn those who participate in riots against the rule they obviously despise.
 
Regarding my example with a train in Haifa, I wasn't trying to say that my example shows a similar situation.
I was merely pointing out that not providing a certain service to residents in certain place in the city doesn't necessarily mean that they are being collectively punished.
Otherwise you could claim that city council of Detroit for instance is collectively punishing Detroit citizens by cutting down its police force
.and not answering to calls
 
Your last point simply doesn't match reality.
East Jerusalem Arabs have a violent history of clashes and vandalism.
East Jerusalem Arabs in their majority refused Israeli citizenship.
East Jerusalem Arabs according to many polls are hostile towards Israel.
Nobody representing them ever condemned such behavior or told his people to refrain from repeating them
Why should I give them a benefit of the doubt then?
I will concede though and agree with you that indeed majority probably don't want to participate in such behavior because they are afraid of the repercussions.
Again I am not calling to stop service in their neighborhood as some kind of revenge or collective punishment.
The service should be stopped simply because its not economical to deal with vandalism every time someone is unhappy about something in their area.
It also places an unnecessary burden on the police and causes points of friction for both sides.
I won't even mention the fact that there are certain known difficulties collecting municipal taxes and various bills from residents of this area.
 
 
 
